SHOOTING OF JAVELINMEN (NEW AMENDMENT)
Troops armed with javelin (S or FL) now get no malus if they move and shoot (other troops get a -2 malus).

Hi Lorenzo and hello to Maestro Jiacomo if he see this message

it's Sebastien

I was in survillier this year with my friend Georges .

So my question is : if troops armed with javelin get no malus if they move and shoot why it's only for S and FL ?

I talk with all players in my club and for us if we accept this rule for javelin we should accept that for all weapon that use by S and FL troops .

the time scale can easily justifie this rules .

And we think about select troops like CL and particulary troops like skythians or numidian wich was expert cavalry shooters with bow for skythians and javelin for numidian .

So we propose that all S and FL and CL will have no malus when they move and shoot .

that's will make interresting troops with different tactic than FP and they will be stop to be only a shield in the battle and use all there historical potentiel .

thanks for all Sebastien

Hi Sebastien,

I'll be very happy to meet you again next yeat at Toutatis and to present you new interesting game tactics.

I complitely agree with your mind as my favourite armies are Parths, Huns and Mongols (BTW, we're on the way with the Mongols range) but the final word MUST be written by Lorenzo that, at this time, is working round the closk on Impetus so, I believe we'll have to wait for a while to obtain our answer.

Meanwhile, in my club we're also working on an intrguing modify to the rules: the ZoC can be exercited only by units with impetus greater than 0...

Hello Sebastien,
hope to meet you again at Toutatis 2008, I plan to make a demo of Impetus

As for the rules permitting CL to shoot without penalty would make these troops too strong. The result would be the necessity to downgrade their shooting ability in the firing table ( a -2?) and at the end nothing would change. Then one could argue that also CM with bow were good at shooting as CL etc

Basic Impetus and Impetus are sets of rules focussed more on the result than on the process to achieve it.

CL, above all if armed with bow, is pretty strong. Their role was to disturb and disorder the enemy. They can make casualties but not be too decisive on shooting.

The amendment of javelin for S and FL has been added as these troops (above all S) had no great advantages for firing javelins as in BI it is a very short range weapon. So the tactic now is to move close the enemy and shoot.

As for Impetus and ZOC it will be pretty easy. If you enter the ZOC of a Unit than the defending Unit will go automaticaly in opportunity and will react. If can charge the defending Unit will probably charge by opportunity. If it can fire, its reaction will be firing.
In BI, where opportunity is not an option, things are simplified, but still also troops with I=0 can react (in Impetus they would shoot by opportunity). That's why ALL troops in BI have ZOC.

Hello Lorenzo and Maestro Jiacomo

a great pleasure to talk to you too .

My english will not traduce all my mind in french

When i say " we propose..." i mean more " we suggest ..." i totally agree the message of Jiacomo " the last word must be written to Lorenzo .

In my club it is sure that we keep allways in our mind that we refuse to have a Basic Impetus play in Bourges , in Paris , in Milan or London with a range of amendement by a local club .

Or to have an Basic Impetus 1.1 , 1.2 , 3.1 , 42.1, 113.54 ... so you understand easily what i mean .

Basic Impetus should be an universal language for all players through out the world .

But you know after 8 month to play basic impetus every two weeks in my club we continue to find tactical idea to use totally the Wealth of Basic Impetus. And off course our minds can stop to imagine new idea for the game .

if Basic Impetus will be not interresting game will would 'nt have allways more ideas .

But maybe we will explore new idea for basic impetus but we keep to play the real rule .

And for Survilliers 2008 ? you will make a demonstration of IMPETUS ?

If you don't have players to play with you ... Georges and I will be totally ready to play Impetus that we waiting during a longtime .

Yes i talk with Georges and we will be at Survilliers 2008 and we will be totally happy to tried IMPETUS if you accept us .

IMPETUS will be ready in italian for Survilliers 2008?

thanks Seb

Hi Sebastian,
yes I know what you mean for having 1 unique version of BI. It is exactly what I want.
Potentially there could be infinite things that can improve one single aspect of the game but to keep 1 unique set I have too be a little bit conservative.

Of course if you are playing a scenario things can be changed. It is a multi period game system and for specific periods (I mean when playing with a more historical approach) things can be better tuned.

Yes I would be very happy to play together at Impetus in Survillers.
I hope the Italian version will be ready for that period. Also I need help from French speaking gamers as I want to make also a French version, but it is important the traslation is made by Impetus gamers that know the philosophy and mechanics of the system to better explain them in their own language .

Keep in touch

Hi Sebastian,

Play a new game, may be a 15 mm one with you and Georges, will be my greatest pleasure and, as reported by Lorenzo, with a rulesbook as unique as the Tables of the Law...

Lorenzo knows almost all about my summers' fatigue in trying to keep at bay an horde of players that, like in a TV football commentary, only wanted to see their changes inserted inside the rules. Was really a round the clock work, with some misunderstanding bertween us also (but was almost impossible to avoid this), but at the end we was the winner and about the 80% of the (fool) request was rejected.

Long life to the Only & True Faith

That's will be a great pleasure to play IMPETUS with you Jiacomo and Lorenzo at Survillier.

Jiacomo ...i understand what you say with " horde of players ...see their changes inserted inside the rules" . I have see that in other games that people change some rules and two weeks later when they tried to play they talk about the same point of rules that they forget ."

But i my rules ...nothing . we are more than ten players with a circle of 6 regulary gamers.

they are old DBM players that stop to play during longtime , warhammer ancient , warhammer battle and some was never players . and this is what is interresting people that never play roleplaying, or historical or fantasy ...they tried and enjoy and we have a lady who play Basic Impetus .

I never see people who have no experience of simulation rules that tried and approuved . and they are not interresting by history .

So this because they come from very varied backgrounds that nobody can change the rule of Basic Impetus , because this is the commun language that people talk to play and understand .

well we have 15mm armies :new babylonian , early achemenid , late achemenid , indians (so powerfull) , celt , roman 'every period) , pathians , hundred year war french and english .

Lorenzo we will be happy to help you for the french version . We talk about that the first time that we see your message .
And we come but with a great caution .

because we know all that this is a great responsability. you can totally destroy a rules if you can not translate seriously a rules .

For exemple: i play Basic with the english version and with Georges 's proofreading of the french rule published in vae victis .

So if you want my help , i am ready .

Seb