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 Concerns about Gauls and germanic armies lists 


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Hi,
I noticed the gauls 'army list are different in vol 4 and 6. In fact they would be the same but the charriot which only Britons used during Caesar's period. In The list in vol 6, a S unit is missing, isn't it ? Confused

In Vol 6, would the cimbri's FP have a VBU of 5 instead of 4?With a vbu of 4, they look like underdogs vs gauls .

Maybe an improvment of the cimbri, teutones. The hamipoi are not taken in account. Actually they were in the ariovist's army and were caesar's secret weapon vs gallic cavalry.How to include them in the germanic armies lists?
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the Gauls on Vol6 wrongly has 1 less S. They are the same of Vol. 4.

We are revising all the lists, so far only first 5 Volumes have been update.

As for Cimbri and Teutoni these, despite the names, were celts so have been uniformed to Gauls.
True German lists have not been yet published and one of the reason is hamipoi (skirmishers attached to Cavalry) as we are still think how they can work best in BI (and Impetus).
Probably giving to CM a shooting capability, maybe with "various weapon". Also this could lead to reducing Movement to 8U. Any suggestion is welcome.
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Thank you very much.
I gonna wait for the revised and new lists.

Please in Vol 8 don't forget the Gepids and the tibetans in the "ad hoc" vol. i'm very found of them.
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Hi I see in the list of Ancient British modified and the impetus of chariot is lesser than oldest edition and pass 3 to only 1!
Its Ok?
For my its a very bad new and with the new rules(basic impetus)my army lost a lot of power.

In new edition I can use impetus against cavalry or elephants...(for my is imposible to win a cavalry for example a medium cavalry for example has 4 vbu and my typical warrior has 4 vbu without help of impetus! ....I cant mind to charge to Heavy Cavalry with a 5 or 6 VBU)
Be impetuous is a bad think the elephants can use their impetus,Impetuous Infantry always pursue and the benefits of large units only has a bonus against other infantry units(the problem is the same)
Its an army without strenght against cavalry,not specially good in firing and dont have good VBU(the medium VBU is 4 and other armies has 5 or 6)or they have one or two good points:

Heavy cavalry(six vbu with high impetus,great movility or movement)and usually one or two units.Porus,Alexander the Great...
or
Heavy infantry with pikes or long spears Greeks,Sparta,Alexander the Great

Great firing power(by bow or machines)Nubians,Egiptians,Romans
or

More unit with 5 or six vbu(sparta,greeks,romans)
or special rules
(pilum)

For my Ancient British is difficult to win(In older edition the high impetus give a powerful characteristic)

Despite of I continue fighting with my army(I like the game and this army)

Thanks for all
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sorry but probably I didn't understand everything.

I agree that the lowered Impetus of the chariots have penalized them. Honestly like all light chariots they rely more on manouvre and close shooting that on impact. Actually the strenght of the army is in warbands that with the new edition have been greatly improved.
These are the only 2 changes. Even before Infantry never got impetus vs cavalry as well as cavalry never had impetus vs Elephants.

Such an army is for sure more strong in Impetus than is Basic Impetus as in Impetus there is a point system, while in BI the armies take in consideration only the sum of the VBUs. That is in Impetus you can field many more warbands (that are very cheap).

But yes, I agree it is not a great army vs Cavalry army (by the way it never fought against such armies).

Who is your common opponent in games?
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Thanks for the answer!

I agree the light chariots arent for closing combat and I cant use them in same way of heavy or scithed chariots...but its more hard to play now(without impetus of 3 or 2 (before the new edition it was difficult too)(snif snif )

I fight with other players of Alpha Ares team(Victor and Cia)and their armies are Sparta,Greeks,Alexander the Great,Later Romans,Imperial Romans,Poros) and We use BI.

For me best way to kill this armies is attack at rear or by flank(its difficult too Laughing )

Can you help me?

Thanks
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well difficult opponent for the Brits Rolling Eyes

againts hoplite armies you have to use your chariot to shoot and disturb the line, maybe outflaniking him. Chariots fire at 360°.
But avoud contact. This task if for you warbands (in Large Units).

With Alexander is more complicated because he can relies on good cavalry. Rolling Eyes

With Porus just avoid elephants, protect vs archers with your S (that can also challange them) and charge them!!! Twisted Evil

well yesterday I have lost with my Porus army against Carthaginians in a 500pts game. My archers proved to be terrific Crying or Very sad
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